Defending the Truth

Lucidthots · 06-02-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Jews do not control the media. Jews do not control the United States. Jews did not cause World War I. Jews did not cause World War II. There is no vast Zionist conspiracy. Jewish culture is thousands of years old, and "Benjamin Freedman" is a Neo-Nazi fabrication.

Fox News?

Dylan · 06-02-2006, 06:59 PM

Ah... I see where you're going.

Wow, I love the internet. This is from Wikipedia.

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Khazar ancestry of Ashkenazim

Some historians, and most famously the non-historian novelist Arthur Koestler (in The Thirteenth Tribe), have proposed that Jewish Khazars are the ancestors of most or all Ashkenazi (Eastern European) Jews, but the idea is controversial and is not supported by mainstream researchers. Recent genetic studies appear to demonstrate that Middle Eastern elements dominate the Ashkenazi male line (see, e.g., Y-chromosomal Aaron), but that the female line appears to have a substantially different history. Some have argued this suggests Middle Eastern men marrying into local European communities meaning that Ashkenazim are either not related to Jewish Khazars or that Jewish Khazars represent only a small element of Ashkenazi ancestry rather than the dominant element suggested by Koestler. The theory for the most part is considered to have been widely discredited. Some historians and scientists recognize the need to specifically test the Khazar theory, rather than generalizing based on studies of other non-Khazar populations.

Another criticism that has been levelled against Koestler's work is that he largely appropriated his history from such sources as D.M. Dunlop, sometimes without proper attribution. Moreover, it has been pointed out that his more speculative second half (discussing his theories about Ashkenazi descent) is largely unsupported; to the extent that Koestler referred to place-names and documentary evidence his analysis has been described as a mixture of flawed etymologies and misinterpreted primary sources.

Other critics of the Khazar-Ashkenazi theory have stated that the prime motive for even the small degree of acceptance of these ideas is because they have become political and anti-Zionist in nature. The Khazar theory has been adopted by many anti-Zionists, especially in the Arab world; such proponents of the theory argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar in origin, then they would be outside the scope of God's promise of Canaan to Israelites as recorded in the Bible. This ignores, of course, the fact that the Biblical promise explicitly includes converts, and the fact that over half of Israeli Jews are not Ashkenazi. Some have countered that such charges of a political motive are not relevant to the core of the argument; in any event, Koestler himself was emphatically pro-Zionist based upon secular considerations.

The Khazar claim has also served as a catalyst for state antisemitism in the Soviet Union and a justification for conquest by Russian nationalists.

Lucidthots · 06-02-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Ah... I see where you're going.

Wow, I love the internet. This is from Wikipedia.

Where am I going?

Dylan · 06-02-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucidthots

Fox News?

Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Last time I checked, he isn't Jewish.

Lucidthots · 06-02-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Last time I checked, he isn't Jewish.

I am pretty sure he is.

Jewish.....according to your 'race standards.'

Lucidthots · 06-02-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Semite might also be too broad, since Arabs, many of whom are Muslim, are also Semitic.

How about anti-Jewish? Is that specific enough for you?

Anti Jewish?

Why is it anti Jewish to complain about a group of criminals.....was Isaiah anti Jewish?

Lucidthots · 06-02-2006, 07:11 PM

I dont know about the anti Jewish thing.

I think people use that to protect criminals who are jewish.

No one is protecting Christians or NAZI criminals.

But if the criminal is Jewish and you say....hey look....that guy is a criminal....

Then someone comes along and says...."you are an anti Semite."

After this happens a few times a person starts to believe that "all Jews are evil"....because they all seem to protect flagrant criminality.

Luckily for me I dont fall into that trap.

Lucidthots · 06-02-2006, 07:22 PM

I think Jews should help root out corruption within their own community.

And....

Stop calling people "anti Semite" for complaining about organized crime.

Honestly....jews have been victimized a great deal by their very own leadership.

It is a well documented fact that Hitler built the Third Reich with Jewish money from folks like the Rothschilds and the Warburgs.

Jews should be helping to root these folks out more than anyone.

Unfortunately most are under the same mind control as the rest of the population.....the ADL and other Jewish groups attack anyone who even mentions organized crime related to the international banking conglomerates.

This does not do anyone any good.

Not the Jews.....or anyone else.

Dylan · 06-02-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucidthots

I think Jews should help root out corruption within their own community.

And....

Stop calling people "anti Semite" for complaining about organized crime.

Honestly....jews have been victimized a great deal by their very own leadership.

It is a well documented fact that Hitler built the Third Reich with Jewish money from folks like the Rothschilds and the Warburgs.

Jews should be helping to root these folks out more than anyone.

Unfortunately most are under the same mind control as the rest of the population.....the ADL and other Jewish groups attack anyone who even mentions organized crime related to the international banking conglomerates.

This does not do anyone any good.

Not the Jews.....or anyone else.

These are lies, and I am sorry that you believe them. Corruption in the "Jewish community" is a somewhat vague term, although pursuing any such course would be somewhat silly, since we don't have a centralized organization, and our denominations are fragmented. Most of the Hassidic sects, with exception to the Lubovich, are insular.

I reiterate that everything that this so-called "Benjamin Freedman" says is a crock of lies.

"Race standards?" According to religious standards, if a person's mother is Jewish, he is Jewish. According to the right of return in Israeli law, if one grandparent is Jewish, a person can automatically become an Israeli citizen because it is the same standard the Nazis used. Rupert Murdoch is not a Jew.

Lucidthots · 06-03-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

These are lies, and I am sorry that you believe them. Corruption in the "Jewish community" is a somewhat vague term, although pursuing any such course would be somewhat silly, since we don't have a centralized organization, and our denominations are fragmented.

This is where you completely miss the point.

This has nothing to do with garden variety jews.

Like I said earlier....jews have been used by this satanic cabal just as horribly as any other people....possibly even the worst.

I am talking about the Rothschild's and their associates in the international banking structure.

Most of which claim to be "jewish" by the race standard.

They invented Israel.

They got the UK to give them Palestine....in exchange for bringing the US into the war (WWI)

And....when Jews did not want to move there ....they financed Hitler and the Third Reich. (WWII)

Why?

To convince Jews to leave Europe and emigrate to Palestine.

They are the ones who have been toying with the Jewish people for the last century.

Now they are using you again.

To justify another global war.

Nick Berg never made it out of Abu Grahib.......understand......they killed him right there behind the walls of that prison.

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