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Old 07-31-2006, 06:51 PM   #101 (permalink)
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It's simple. Every school, regardless of location, should have exactly the same quality to offer their students. Period.

Problem solved.
That won't happen until there is honest competition. Period.

Sweden does NOT have the answers to America's problems and issues. That's like saying that an example set by Rhode Island will work for the whole nation.

Broaden the narrow, narrow scope of your vision.
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Old 07-31-2006, 06:53 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Why is the only solution being presented one that damages the existing public school system?

"NEA stranglehood" shouldn't be the issue. QUALITY should be the issue.

I care about the poor children and that's why I'm more interested in FIXING the problem instead of pushing things off elsewhere...
Why are you ASSUMING that school vouchers will damage the public schools?

What you're really doing is ADMITTING that America's public schools are INFERIOR to its private, parochial, charter and magnet schools.

If public schools provide the best education, they have absolutely nothing to fear from school vouchers.
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Exactly.

And I don't think Jefferson appreciates the fact that his solution will HARM the public schools. I haven't seen anybody for vouchers broach the fact that vouchers WILL HARM the public school system.

So you are openly admitting that the public schools provide an INFERIOR QUALITY OF EDUCATION.


Thank you for your confession!
Old 07-31-2006, 07:11 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Why are you ASSUMING that school vouchers will damage the public schools?
It's a question of simple economics.
Where is the money for the vouchers going to be coming from?

You only have a couple of options. Raise taxes to cover the increased costs, or take from the public schools. (Or some variant inbetween...)

Are you advocating higher taxes?


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What you're really doing is ADMITTING that America's public schools are INFERIOR to its private, parochial, charter and magnet schools.
I wasn't "admitting" that at all. It's simple logic.
If you have "two" alternatives, and you make one alternative more economically feasible, you're going to see more people switch to that alternative.

And moreover, I suspect that public schools do provide an inferior product. I think that should be fairly easy to check with test scores and the like.
But I haven't looked, and I suspect you haven't either Jefferson.
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Old 07-31-2006, 07:25 PM   #105 (permalink)
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It's a question of simple economics.
Where is the money for the vouchers going to be coming from?

You only have a couple of options. Raise taxes to cover the increased costs, or take from the public schools. (Or some variant inbetween...)

Are you advocating higher taxes?



I wasn't "admitting" that at all. It's simple logic.
If you have "two" alternatives, and you make one alternative more economically feasible, you're going to see more people switch to that alternative.

And moreover, I suspect that public schools do provide an inferior product. I think that should be fairly easy to check with test scores and the like.
But I haven't looked, and I suspect you haven't either Jefferson.

The money IS ALREADY BEING SENT TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. When are you going to be able to get that through your thick skull? That is the way funding is presently granted. There is no need for increased taxes. It's simply a matter of sending the money to the schools the kids are attending - which is already happening.

We're talking about creating a level playing field - something liberals HATE.

Make it so that it doesn't cost any more, or any less, to send your kids to school - regardless of where parents send them.

Let the best schools win.


Once again, the questions you REFUSE to answer, FoundIt66:
1. Why are you so anti-monoply when it comes to business and industry, but so PRO-MONOPOLY when it comes to education - especially the education of America's poorest kids?
2. Why do you feel that public schools need to be protected, coddled and babied? Let them operate on a level playing field with all other schools.
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Why is the only solution being presented one that damages the existing public school system?

"NEA stranglehood" shouldn't be the issue. QUALITY should be the issue.

I care about the poor children and that's why I'm more interested in FIXING the problem instead of pushing things off elsewhere...
1. You're first sentence is a joke...right? The school system is already damaged. Vouchers are not gonna damage what already is damaged.

2. The NEA stranglhold is the issue because it is the reason for the poor quality because education is not their priority.

3. If you really care about poor children, then you would be for letting those poor uneducated children get the best education possible. Vouchers can make that happen.

There. Every point you just made is answered. Now, don't you want poor children to get a good education? All your objections have been answered very thoroughly.

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Old 07-31-2006, 10:41 PM   #107 (permalink)
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The money IS ALREADY BEING SENT TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. When are you going to be able to get that through your thick skull? That is the way funding is presently granted. There is no need for increased taxes. It's simply a matter of sending the money to the schools the kids are attending - which is already happening.
So does that mean less money for the public schools? Yes or no?


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We're talking about creating a level playing field - something liberals HATE.
yadda, yadda, yadda...
Your "I hate liberals" spew deserves only the comment that it doesn't deserve a comment.


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Make it so that it doesn't cost any more, or any less, to send your kids to school - regardless of where parents send them.
Let the best schools win.
Fix the public schools we have instead of gutting them.


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Once again, the questions you REFUSE to answer, FoundIt66:
1. Why are you so anti-monoply when it comes to business and industry, but so PRO-MONOPOLY when it comes to education - especially the education of America's poorest kids?
There is NO MONOPOLY.
Parents can send their kids anywhere they want / can afford.
Does Nissan have a "monopoly" over BMW because Nissan makes cheaper cars than BMW?


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2. Why do you feel that public schools need to be protected, coddled and babied? Let them operate on a level playing field with all other schools.
They need to be fixed. Not gutted.
It's not "protection". It's making the system that the tax payers are paying for WORK instead of outsourcing it for God knows what type of cost.

How come nobody has explained what the change in cost will be for all these school vouchers...
Are you trying to tell me that the private schools are going to be run at the same cost as the public schools?

Do I need to google some private school tuition amounts to prove that a lark?
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:03 AM   #108 (permalink)
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So does that mean less money for the public schools? Yes or no?
ONLY if the education the offer is so poor that nobody wants their kids there. So... in some public schools there will be less money, in others there will be more - just as it SHOULD be. SOME PUBLIC SCHOOLS NEED TO BE CLOSED.


yadda, yadda, yadda...
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Fix the public schools we have instead of gutting them.
This will go further toward fixing the public schools than anything. It's do or die. Honest competition. And the winners? THE CHILDREN - ESPECIALLY THE POOR CHILDREN!


There is NO MONOPOLY.
Parents can send their kids anywhere they want / can afford.
Does Nissan have a "monopoly" over BMW because Nissan makes cheaper cars than BMW?
Poor parents CANNOT AFFORD TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOL. Can you get that through your thick skull? A family with a $25,000 per year income CANNOT AFFORD the $500 per month, per student, private school tuition. There absolutely IS a public education monopoly, because lower class parents are FORCED to send their kids to rat-infested, run-down, non-educating public schools - schools where there is NO education taking place. School vouchers will erase the financial barrier - which is something you SHOULD be all for - being the compassionate liberal you are!


They need to be fixed. Not gutted.
It's not "protection". It's making the system that the tax payers are paying for WORK instead of outsourcing it for God knows what type of cost.
School vouchers will fix the public schools that can be fixed, and will close the public schools that are beyond the point of being salvageable. AS IT SHOULD BE.

How come nobody has explained what the change in cost will be for all these school vouchers...
Are you trying to tell me that the private schools are going to be run at the same cost as the public schools?
It's called a "level playing field". Do you understand that? Obiously not. The private schools will need to compete just like the public schools will.
Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?


Do I need to google some private school tuition amounts to prove that a lark?
Go ahead. Be my guest. But the cost of private schools IS NOT THE POINT. The point is that the education vouchers follow the students to whatever school they attend.

I'm beginning to honestly think that YOU are one of those sucky public school employees that doesn't give a crap about ANYTHING but your own paycheck. That is the ONLY explanation for your blind, hateful and ignorant opposition to school vouchers.

Now... why not answer the question I've repeatedly posed to you: WHY ARE YOU SO ANTI-MONOPLY WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESS, BUT SO PRO-MONOPOLY WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION?
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Do you work for the public school system Foundit?
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I'm beginning to honestly think that YOU are one of those sucky public school employees that doesn't give a crap about ANYTHING but your own paycheck. That is the ONLY explanation for your blind, hateful and ignorant opposition to school vouchers.
No. I don't work for any school.
I've explained why I am opposed to school vouchers.
It isn't based on "ignorance" or "hate".


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Now... why not answer the question I've repeatedly posed to you: WHY ARE YOU SO ANTI-MONOPLY WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESS, BUT SO PRO-MONOPOLY WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION?
1) We haven't even talked about "business", so don't pretend you know my opinions on "monopolies" with them.
2) I already gone over this. The solution is to FIX the public school systems.
I find it interesting to note how you keep talking about how they are broken, but this is the ONLY solution you'll think about entertaining.
Why do you want to gut our public school systems so badly?
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