How Long Do We Have? - Page 15

Jefferson · 08-09-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

Of course it isn't Bush's fault but he certainly hasn't helped the situation. If you look at the budget for our military and the budget for our public schools I think you will find the true problem. I think our teachers are doing their "damndest" to enlighten students on a daily basis, without fair compensation, but they are fighting an uphill battle as good teachers move to higher paying jobs.

A good and fair public education system only requires two things to solve:
1) Make sure every school offers the same resources to its students regardless of location
2) Pay teachers a lot more (what they are worth)

What a load of festering, steaming, horse crap!

1. Take away the monopoly! Make schools compete! Just like colleges. The best schools will get more students.

2. Take away tenure. Most public school teachers are fantastic people - and I agree that they should be paid more. But blow that tenure crap out your butt. All it does it protect and coddle the few teachers that SUCK. And students suffer.

3. Institute school vouchers. This will help poor families get their kids to the best schools - regardless of whether those schools are public, private, magnet, parochial or charter.

As a parent who has been heavily involved in the public school system for years, I can assure you and FoundIt66 that you need to pull your heads out of your butts and learn about education.

alias · 08-09-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

Of course it isn't Bush's fault but he certainly hasn't helped the situation. If you look at the budget for our military and the budget for our public schools I think you will find the true problem. I think our teachers are doing their "damndest" to enlighten students on a daily basis, without fair compensation, but they are fighting an uphill battle as good teachers move to higher paying jobs.

A good and fair public education system only requires two things to solve:
1) Make sure every school offers the same resources to its students regardless of location
2) Pay teachers a lot more (what they are worth)

Are you ready to stop sending me e-mails telling me I've got an infraction point? Are you ready to be a man and stop being a little pansy ass. You let me know and I'll debate with you. I'm going to treat you just like a disobedient child if you keep this shit up about this infration bullshit. You need to learn to respect your elders even if you don't agree with them. That is called being polite. If I want to use Newsmax for a story choice, you do not have the right to tell me not to use it. We have freedom of the press in this country. You better get over it and stop telling me what to do. Are you ready to be an adult now and publicly apologize? I'm waiting.

hevusa · 08-09-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

1. Take away the monopoly! Make schools compete! Just like colleges. The best schools will get more students.

That will only lead to those with money getting a proper education and those who cannot afford the good school to suffer. It would exacerbate the problems, except for the privileged.

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

2. Take away tenure. Most public school teachers are fantastic people - and I agree that they should be paid more. But blow that tenure crap out your butt. All it does it protect and coddle the few teachers that SUCK. And students suffer.

I don't see how tenure is greatly affecting the problems we see in our school system. If we paid them what they are worth our good teachers wouldn't wander off to some higher paying position and then we would want them to have tenure!

Tenure takes a long time to get so hopefully a piss poor teacher would have been fired for lack of academic performance long before they reach tenure.

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

3. Institute school vouchers. This will help poor families get their kids to the best schools - regardless of whether those schools are public, private, magnet, parochial or charter.

That is a band aid on a gusher. We need to make sure all schools perform at a high standard so which school isn't even an issue!! Because at the end of the day we want all our students to get the same deal... do we not?

foundit66 · 08-09-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Good lord.
Idiot.
This is EXACTLY what happens when schools are made to compete! Figure it out!

PROVE it.
Voucher systems EXIST today.
Show me some example of how an EXISTING voucher system resulted in better schools!

The only "idiot" is somebody who just claims something is true, without PROVING it, and thinks that is an argument...

foundit66 · 08-09-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

What a load of festering, steaming, horse crap!
1. Take away the monopoly! Make schools compete! Just like colleges. The best schools will get more students.

We CURRENTLY HAVE COMPETITION.
Don't you get that???

The private schools DO compete with each other. And the KIDS COMPETE to get into the private schools.
The schools grab the BETTER students.

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

2. Take away tenure. Most public school teachers are fantastic people - and I agree that they should be paid more. But blow that tenure crap out your butt. All it does it protect and coddle the few teachers that SUCK. And students suffer.

I think a modified version of "tenure" should exist, but definitely ensure the system doesn't coddle poor teachers just because they've been there long enough.

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

3. Institute school vouchers. This will help poor families get their kids to the best schools - regardless of whether those schools are public, private, magnet, parochial or charter.

HOW MANY families will it help when private schools can only support ONLY FOUR PERCENT of the public school population???

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

As a parent who has been heavily involved in the public school system for years, I can assure you and FoundIt66 that you need to pull your heads out of your butts and learn about education.

"heavily involved in the public school system for years" eh?
Keep trying. You'll graduate from that school one of these years...

Jefferson · 08-09-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

We CURRENTLY HAVE COMPETITION.
Don't you get that???

The private schools DO compete with each other. And the KIDS COMPETE to get into the private schools.
The schools grab the BETTER students.

I think a modified version of "tenure" should exist, but definitely ensure the system doesn't coddle poor teachers just because they've been there long enough.

HOW MANY families will it help when private schools can only support ONLY FOUR PERCENT of the public school population???

"heavily involved in the public school system for years" eh?
Keep trying. You'll graduate from that school one of these years...

There is NO COMPETITION.

When it costs $500 per month to send your kid to private school, but nothing to send them to public school, THERE IS NO COMPETITION.

PUBLIC SCHOOLS NO LONGER DESERVE TO HAVE A STRANGLE-HOLD ON EDUCATION.

...and as for my involvement in our public school system, what exactly would you like to know, dumbass?

Jefferson · 08-09-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

That will only lead to those with money getting a proper education and those who cannot afford the good school to suffer. It would exacerbate the problems, except for the privileged.

I don't see how tenure is greatly affecting the problems we see in our school system. If we paid them what they are worth our good teachers wouldn't wander off to some higher paying position and then we would want them to have tenure!

Tenure takes a long time to get so hopefully a piss poor teacher would have been fired for lack of academic performance long before they reach tenure.

That is a band aid on a gusher. We need to make sure all schools perform at a high standard so which school isn't even an issue!! Because at the end of the day we want all our students to get the same deal... do we not?

Obviously you have NO direct experience in the American Public School system. If you did, you could NOT be talking that stupidly.

hevusa · 08-09-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Obviously you have NO direct experience in the American Public School system. If you did, you could NOT be talking that stupidly.

Well gee. That changes my mind!

alias · 08-09-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

Well gee. That changes my mind!

You're fucking stupid. Accept it. Everyone knows it. Everyone thinks you're a fucking idiot. Sounds just like you on one of my e-mails. You two-faced little fucking high school mentality asswipe.

foundit66 · 08-09-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

There is NO COMPETITION.
When it costs $500 per month to send your kid to private school, but nothing to send them to public school, THERE IS NO COMPETITION.

If you can ride the bus for free, or buy a BMW for several thousand dollars, is there "competition"?
And do we need to hand out BMW vouchers to ensure there is competition?

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

PUBLIC SCHOOLS NO LONGER DESERVE TO HAVE A STRANGLE-HOLD ON EDUCATION.

Then fix them.
Don't take the money away from them to send a FEW kids to a private school.
FIX the public schools.