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Old 01-07-2007, 03:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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yeah that's right.. all terrorism and violence stems from the evilness of Iran and Syria

Incidentally, the US didn't capture berlin or remove hiler's government.. The RUSSIANS did ( paying a dear price in doing so ).. SO if the rest of the world ( including Europe) should be grateful to a nation, it would be RUssia. I love how america has decided to "own" WWII. Oh i forget.. The russians were evil communists so they couldn't possibly be saviors..

Regarding Japan, that was a true victory.. It was also a victory based on the slaughter of several million INNOCENT CIVILIAN people in TWO strikes.. Really something to be proud of??? Pearl Harbor, yes.. Iwo Jima, yes.. Hiroshima and Nagasaki.. i really don't think so.

Anyhow WWII is OLD. It is also IRRELEVANT now.. Many millions more have died in conflicts since then. Get over it.

Regarding Iran and Syria, considering how Japan and Germany are economic powerhouses ( unimpressed by the US ), US "destruction" may nt be more than a minor inconvenience in the long term.

Especially considering the fact that PLENTY of nations will side against the US for Irani oil. So maybe trying to destroy both nations will land the US in a HUGELY fucked up situation.

But i hope the US will try. It wll only hasten the inevitable.. nothing more.
You're are wrong about WWII and the Russians. The Russians came from the East of course and Britain and the Americans from the west. Why do you think Germany was divided until 1989? Berlin was sectioned up into Russin, British, and American sections. Who do you think put up the Berlin wall? Russians. America and Britain bombed Berlin and to ruins as well as the Russians.

No. "Several million" did not die in the 2 bombs on Japan. 300,000 is what I have heard in or around that number. If you have an article or history page that says "several million", I'd like to see it. Yes, they were innocent men, women, and children. President Truman told the Japanese what would happen if they did not unconditionally surrender. The leaders of Japan made the choice to not surrender, thus the first bomb dropped. Truman told them again, another bomb or unconditionally surrender. They said no. Guess what? Another atom bomb. Don't blame America for ending a war and saving American lives that would have been lost due invading Japan. The bombs ended the war and saved American lives. That is the purpose and the idea of war. Kill the enemy until he surrenders. Don't blame America. Japan started it. That's a good lesson. If you don't like getting beat up, don't pick fights. You're muslim brothers should think about that. We didn't start this. Muslims attacked us. The citizens of Japan did not attack us, but they died as a result of the policies of their leaders. If you muslims don't want to die, then I suggest you find different leaders and mind your own damn business and stop attacking us.

Oh, by the way, leave Israel alone also. They have a right to live in peace as a nation. All you muslims help the Pals build a nation and be peaceful. Stop the suicide bombs, take off the suicide propaganda from your TVs, and grow up and help the Pals build a nation. Israel is not going anywhere. Learn to live with it or die.

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Old 01-07-2007, 04:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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One wasn't enough. If it had been, they would have surrendered. To say one would have been more than enough doesn't take into account the fact that it wasn't enough. You might say, "one would have THOUGHT one would be enough", and I'd agree with that.
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One wasn't enough. If it had been, they would have surrendered. To say one would have been more than enough doesn't take into account the fact that it wasn't enough. You might say, "one would have THOUGHT one would be enough", and I'd agree with that.
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uhhh... They had no way of knowing the 'power' of those bombs until they were dropped on those 2 medium size cities.
So drop them on a Japanese base, or an island occupied by Japanese forces or, at the very most, a civilian village. It was unnecessary to drop it on a city until there was no other choice.
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Old 01-07-2007, 08:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
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So drop them on a Japanese base, or an island occupied by Japanese forces or, at the very most, a civilian village. It was unnecessary to drop it on a city until there was no other choice.
The Americans believed that the only way to make the Japanese to surrender was to inflict the heaviest casualites possible to end the war. Killing a couple hundred civilians with 2 bombs in pretty convincing. It worked.

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If you are familiar with the history of WWII, you would know that the strategy of bombing campaigns to wipe out a country's logistical industry was severely inefficient. There were really no considerable results on the battlefield.

So, the primary target of fire-bombings of Japanese cities, Dresden, and the nucleaer strikes were it's civilian populace. This is something talked about openly. It was their attempt to bomb the hell out of the populace so the support of the Nazis would lessen. The contention behind the nuclear strikes was to defeat the morale of the Japanese by mass-killing innocent civilians, and force them into some kind of surrender.

This is the very definition of terrorism. It's the same reasoning behind 9/11.

As for the effectiveness of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would say it was minimal. The fire bombings prior to the nuclear strikes were equally, if not more damaging. It didn't stop them. Bushido philosophy prevalent at the time in Japan thought it to be glorious to die fighting for the Emperor and the Empire. What the Japanese were afraid of more than any big bomb, was invasion of Japan proper, and harm to the Emperor, and/or the Imperial throne. So although I would say that the nuclear strikes had something to do with it, I think Germany falling, and consequently especially the Russian invasion of Japan had much more to do with their surrender. The Japanese saw that they basically lost the war, and on two fronts, it would have been inevitable that Japan would be occupied if they didn't draw terms. They would have been split up like Germany, between the Soviet Union and the US.
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Old 01-07-2007, 10:26 PM   #18 (permalink)
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If you are familiar with the history of WWII, you would know that the strategy of bombing campaigns to wipe out a country's logistical industry was severely inefficient. There were really no considerable results on the battlefield.

So, the primary target of fire-bombings of Japanese cities, Dresden, and the nucleaer strikes were it's civilian populace. This is something talked about openly. It was their attempt to bomb the hell out of the populace so the support of the Nazis would lessen. The contention behind the nuclear strikes was to defeat the morale of the Japanese by mass-killing innocent civilians, and force them into some kind of surrender.
This is the very definition of terrorism. It's the same reasoning behind 9/11.

As for the effectiveness of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would say it was minimal. The fire bombings prior to the nuclear strikes were equally, if not more damaging. It didn't stop them. Bushido philosophy prevalent at the time in Japan thought it to be glorious to die fighting for the Emperor and the Empire. What the Japanese were afraid of more than any big bomb, was invasion of Japan proper, and harm to the Emperor, and/or the Imperial throne. So although I would say that the nuclear strikes had something to do with it, I think Germany falling, and consequently especially the Russian invasion of Japan had much more to do with their surrender. The Japanese saw that they basically lost the war, and on two fronts, it would have been inevitable that Japan would be occupied if they didn't draw terms. They would have been split up like Germany, between the Soviet Union and the US.
That is 100% wrong. We were in a war, and it wasn't a war we asked for. To compare that to "terrorism" is just stupid and short-sighted - kind of like arguing that a faggot is nothing but a bundle of sticks.
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In Memoriam . . .

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It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.
This is in memory of the six million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with the German and Russia peoples looking the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be "a myth," it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.
It is imperative to make sure the world never forgets any genocide!

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So drop them on a Japanese base, or an island occupied by Japanese forces or, at the very most, a civilian village. It was unnecessary to drop it on a city until there was no other choice.
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